I saw your post on the web about the Trinity doctrine and the work of Arias.

I’ve shared your sentiments about the Trinity doctrine for the last 22 years. I think there’s really only a couple thorny (obscure) verses in the Bible that seem to substantiate the triune God encroachment. However, there a truckloads of verses that show the human qualities of humility and subjection [to his Father] particulary illustrated in the fulfillment of his calling as: “The Son of God”; The Messiah; The kIng of Isreal, “The High Priest”, The Prophet (like unto me - Moses), etc., etc, I think it’s important to understand (from Old Testament developement & history) what the Jews understood about these titles as they related to their expectation of their Messianic Kingdom (called “The Kingdom of God/Heaven, in the gospels). (Example: David ruled as a messiah [Hebrew: “anointed one”] over the kindgom of the Lord, when he ascended to the throne of Israel. David’s reign over Israel as set as a shadow, or a type, of the ultimate reign of The Messiah. In the gospels, this is what Mary, Elizabeth, the angel, Anna, Simeon, allude to in their praise at the time of Jesus’ birth. The Jews were not expecting God to come down and wipe out Roman influence and cleanse their land of pagan idlolatry & rule; but they were expecting a human descendant of David, an anointed man of God’s choosing [as David was] to fulflill this hope of theirs. How about The High Priest?? The High Priest was a mediator, one who was choosen by God to offer sacrificial atonements on behalf of His people. The Jews never thought of the High Priest as God; they understood the High Priest to be a guy who was “one among the brethren,” who could identify with their suffering/sin, and make atonement for them in the temple. The priesthood of Jesus today is the exact same in principle, being different only in the respect that it is superior, un-interrupted by death, and based in the heavenly temple with the superior sacrifice of himself. God spoke to Israel, through Moses, about the office of God’s Prophet that would in the future be the ideal: “The Lord God shall raise up a prophet from among your brethren, like unto me…him shall you hear in all things that he says” ( in other words, this prophet would be superior to Moses in that EVERYTHING HE WOULD SAY would be from the mouth of God. This wasn’t true with Moses, remember the strife at the waters of Meribar?) Indeed, everything Jesus spoke & did during his earthly ministry was inspired of God, for, ” the words I speak unto you, I speak not of myself” [evidently, Jesus had his own ideas & opinions that he chose not to utter); “I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father (evidently, there’s two separate wills here, but Jesus made the decision to subject himself to his Father’s; also, in the same verse: “I can of mine own self do nothing”….wow!!! Where in the scriptures is this said about God??? Anyway, as you can tell, I could go on and on with this…Write back and let me know your thoughts……Pat